Saturday, August 20, 2005

The new PIMs on old Palms - part 2

This is the second part of "The new PIMs on old Palms" - you could read that the new applications "Calendar", "Contacts" and others run on Palm OS 4.1, even on Palm III, V, IIIc and so on. Now I'll tell how to copy them. Many of you had to wait long for this news, because there were problems. For example, I couldn't use the files from the T5.

First, you need a real device (Tungsten T3 or Tungsten E) or a device-specific simulator (get it at Zire 31, 72, Tungsten T5 and newer palms have those applications, too, but those files made problems, for example the "Contacts"-application crashed if I tried to beam an address. Perhaps the reason is that the *very* new programs (on T5 or Zire 72) use libraries for contact photos and calendar backgrounds. If you use the simulator you can't copy libraries because they are compiled to DLL files (x86). If you want to be sure you should use a T|T3 or T|E or their simulators.

You need a file manager, of course, I recommend FileZ ( Copy it to your palm and then start it. Choose "View and Edit Files" and show the "Internal Memory". Now look for the files. You need the following files:

* Calender-PDat + localization files (Calendar-PDat_deDE for a german-"speaking" palm, ...)
* Contacts-PAdd + localization files
* Memos-PMem + localization files
* Tasks-PTod + localization files

If you use a Zire 72 or 31 or copying, you need additionaly "CategoryLib-catL" + localization files. You must install them first, otherwise your palm will crash.

Select them and copy them to your card or beam them to your old device. If you use the device-specific simulator, you'll have to copy them to "POSESlot1", that's a virtual card you find in the folder "Card0" in the simulator folder. But often FileZ doesn't recognize virtual cards. Then use "GentleMan", another good file manager (, it will recognize it.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any advice on getting the old info to Hotsync to the new apps?

5:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've tried this using the Tungsten|E PIMS that I had working on my T2. I cannot get Calendar to work on either a Zire (m150) or a m500.

In each case I get a Fatal Alert: SystemMgr.c, Line:185, Unimplemented.

Contacts works, as does Memos. Tasks works but items entered don't show up in Date Book.

Any clues as to how to get Calendar working?

11:54 AM  
Blogger Tam Hanna said...

I had the calendar from my TT3 running on my Palm V with OS 4.1 upgrade installed.
Did you install both Calendar and the RIGHT localization file? _deDE wont help you on a german Palm e.g.!
Best regards
Tam Hanna

3:43 PM  
Blogger Alexander Gratz said...

That's wrong, you MUST install _deDE if you have German language.

And you may not install DatebookDBAgenda, that's the background image, it will crash your OS 4.1 device

7:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was the missing link. Removing
DatebookDBAgenda did the trick. All the PIMs are now working on the Zire (m150) running OS 4.1 and on the m500 running OS 4.0 as well.

7:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't quite understand -- what makes you feel you have the right to use this software other than as indicated by the EULA?

8:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, there are two ways of looking at this. If you own a palm with the new PIMs then you probably can transfer them over to an older device as long as you discontinue using them on the new device without violating the EULA. Or you can just not worry about it and enjoy the update.

10:30 PM  
Blogger Tam Hanna said...

I can now definitely confirm! Calendar works on Palm V with OS 4.1
Best regards
Tam Hanna

12:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sure they run but how do you HotSync?

4:33 PM  
Blogger Tam Hanna said...

I beleive that you will need the latest Palm Desktop with the enhanced conduits that still need to be enabled in the custom dialog of the HotSync manager AFAIK.
It were best if you got it off the CD of a unit that has the PIM's installed, but I beleive that ther version available at PalmOne's should also work
Best regards
Tam Hanna

11:52 PM  
Blogger Alexander Gratz said...


I use for installing.


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